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I have been looking for a deer dog for a little while. Been looking for something that can be trained to indicate, and also follow up deer after the shot (and of course a legal breed for vic). I have spoken to a lot of breeders, because I am trying to source a new pup from parents with hunting experience rather than show lines. 

As an aside, any dog is particularly hard to find at the moment. Apparently everyone working from home in the last few months has decided to buy a dog. I know a lot of breeders are expecting an influx of rehoming once people go back to the office and cant spend time at home looking after the dog. A lot of these "pets" are high drive dogs and will wreck stuff if they dont get the stimulation they need.

Anyhow, I got onto a littler from great hunting parents and the owner put me on the list for a female. Pups are born & I get confirmation there is a female for me. I pay my deposit and start getting ready for the pup. Do a lot of stressing about how I am going to get my pup as lock-down is just starting at that point, and based on whats happened in other countries, I am expecting to be confined to the home within days. Will I be able to go pick it up, how long will this last? Will I be able to take it bush for training, or will I even be able to hunt? A lot of unknowns back then.  Then 2 weeks before I am due to get the pup, I receive a message from the breeder - "sorry to tell you this, but your pup died". Wow, a shock out of nowhere. Then I get told, "we have another female available, the person it was allocated to backed out because of the virus". So I confirm I will definitely take the other pup - great back on track, but still feeling a bit stunned about the first pup. Then another couple of days go by and I get another message "sorry, there has been a stuff-up. My wife sold the other female pup to another person, so its no longer available". At this point I am just wondering WTF is this guy doing? I essentially tell him to fork off, and fortunately he pays me back my deposit within 24 hours.

Several weeks later, I come across a guy with a pregnant bitch, both parents are good all-rounders and have good experience on deer. So I tell him I would be interested in a female and he tells me he at that point he has 2 firm commitments for males, and one for a female. Great I think  - odds of having a second female in the litter is pretty good, so should all be a goer. He keeps me updated as the pregnancy progresses. Several days earlier than I had expected, I get a message that the pups are delivered - with 2 females in the litter. Great, just confirming one of those females is mine? Oh, no. Sorry, but there were two people ahead of you who wanted females, so none available for you. Another WTF moment, just a real slap in the face feeling.

I really did not know there were so many fork wits out there, and its scary to see how many of them seem to be breeding dogs. I guess I dodged a bullet since who knows what they would actually breed. But its just been an emotional rollercoaster. Every time I commit to a pup with a breeder, I have to sit the wife down, discuss it with her, get the go-ahead, organse how I am going to find time in my daily schedule to train it, socialise it, etc. Not something that can just be taken for granted. Then boom, sorry - its not happening. 

Anyhow, Ive given up. Will look again at some point. But right now its obviously not meant to happen.

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I feel your pain. We picked up a golden retriever pup 3 weeks ago. It was hard work . We started looking Mid 2019 and visited quite a few breeders before I locked into 2 breeders that we’re looking to have a litter.
I have also looked at Gwp breeders as I’m looking to get one in a year or so.
I personally don’t like dogs that look like Chewbaca from Star Wars and want a hunting line.
There is a breeder in QLD that I visited had a nice blood line and she was getting a new stud from Europe.
If your interested pm me and I’ll forward her name and contact.
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My experience with dog breeders and doggie people over the years is that there all the same and what you have just explained pretty much sums it up. Not much up there for thinking and just after the quick bucks. People end up getting a dog that's as dumb as the person selling it and buying it and what you get is a dog that turns good money into $hit. Good mate of mine has a GWP and would be one of the best hunting dogs I've seen. When she is in pup, guys from all over Australia want one as they think one of the pups will be as good as he's is. What they really don't understand is that this guy is single, lives on his own and lives in one of the best hunting areas in Victoria and hunts just about every day of the week. If your married, work and only hunt once in a blue moon and you really want a dog for hunting, then your dog will be as good as its last hunt. I put Joe338ST onto a friend of mine that breeds Vizslas for hunting. He's always had lovely dogs and with some have gone onto be fantastic hunting dogs as others been a great family pet. Joe never got his dog for hunting just wanted a great dog for the family, and that's what he got. When my GWP/ Weimaraner kicks the bucket, I'll be heading over to Carlo for my next dog.
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deerhunter338mag wrote: Sat May 09, 2020 9:56 pm My experience with dog breeders and doggie people over the years is that there all the same and what you have just explained pretty much sums it up. Not much up there for thinking and just after the quick bucks. People end up getting a dog that's as dumb as the person selling it and buying it and what you get is a dog that turns good money into $hit. Good mate of mine has a GWP and would be one of the best hunting dogs I've seen. When she is in pup, guys from all over Australia want one as they think one of the pups will be as good as he's is. What they really don't understand is that this guy is single, lives on his own and lives in one of the best hunting areas in Victoria and hunts just about every day of the week. If your married, work and only hunt once in a blue moon and you really want a dog for hunting, then your dog will be as good as its last hunt. I put Joe338ST onto a friend of mine that breeds Vizslas for hunting. He's always had lovely dogs and with some have gone onto be fantastic hunting dogs as others been a great family pet. Joe never got his dog for hunting just wanted a great dog for the family, and that's what he got. When my GWP/ Weimaraner kicks the bucket, I'll be heading over to Carlo for my next dog.
Yep, just love my Vizsla, Bailey......She's a gem. Never wrecks anything and prowls on rabbits all day in my backyard of 4 acres......Will get another soon.....
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Joe338ST wrote: Sat May 09, 2020 10:22 pm
deerhunter338mag wrote: Sat May 09, 2020 9:56 pm My experience with dog breeders and doggie people over the years is that there all the same and what you have just explained pretty much sums it up. Not much up there for thinking and just after the quick bucks. People end up getting a dog that's as dumb as the person selling it and buying it and what you get is a dog that turns good money into $hit. Good mate of mine has a GWP and would be one of the best hunting dogs I've seen. When she is in pup, guys from all over Australia want one as they think one of the pups will be as good as he's is. What they really don't understand is that this guy is single, lives on his own and lives in one of the best hunting areas in Victoria and hunts just about every day of the week. If your married, work and only hunt once in a blue moon and you really want a dog for hunting, then your dog will be as good as its last hunt. I put Joe338ST onto a friend of mine that breeds Vizslas for hunting. He's always had lovely dogs and with some have gone onto be fantastic hunting dogs as others been a great family pet. Joe never got his dog for hunting just wanted a great dog for the family, and that's what he got. When my GWP/ Weimaraner kicks the bucket, I'll be heading over to Carlo for my next dog.
Yep, just love my Vizsla, Bailey......She's a gem. Never wrecks anything and prowls on rabbits all day in my backyard of 4 acres......Will get another soon.....
He's in Diamond Creek now just up the road from the Plumber :handgestures-thumbup:
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Thanks guys. Will look at options. A Vizsla would definitely have some appeal from what I know of the breed. A GWP too for that matter, but I am thinking a Vizslar seems like it might suit me better.

I understand that you will only get out what you put into a deer dog. Its just so frustrating to get all gee'd up to start training a pup, then run smack into a brick wall. Then have it happen a second time?

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yep, what they did to you is manure and a breeder should never take a deposit before the pups turn 10 days old . to Say all dog breeders are the same is BS.
There are a lot of unscrupulous breeders but there are good one that really take pride in their dogs. My 10c worth is to firstly research the breed that suits you which excels in what you want to hunt and then check out the breeders , check for hereditary issues things like hip, elbow eye and cancer.
then when you get one its all up to you the amount of time and training you spend on it. If you lock it up in the back yard and it never comes out then it will be $hit.

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Rifletuner wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 1:02 am Thanks guys. Will look at options. A Vizsla would definitely have some appeal from what I know of the breed. A GWP too for that matter, but I am thinking a Vizslar seems like it might suit me better.

I understand that you will only get out what you put into a deer dog. Its just so frustrating to get all gee'd up to start training a pup, then run smack into a brick wall. Then have it happen a second time?
If you interested in a Vizslar then I'll put you onto Carlos as he has puppys a few times throughout the year. He's a very keen deerhunter and also attends a lot of gun dog field retriever trials. When I was younger I did a fair bit of it with my GSP Buck a black and white one and end up getting a CD title with him. Was a bit of fun but it sure took a real lot of time and a lot of weekends traveling all over the place. What I really learnt was to get a dog that was like a robot and win all the championships those breeders would go through a lot of dogs just for that one. It was all about the Kennel name and to get that prestage. I guess we all know what happen to the dogs that didn't make the cut. Doggie people are a funny lot. :roll:
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sav338 wrote: Sat May 09, 2020 8:43 pm
I have also looked at Gwp breeders as I’m looking to get one in a year or so.
I personally don’t like dogs that look like Chewbaca from Star Wars and want a hunting line.
Having owned a number of GWPs, just let me say... :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:

I'm not too fond of wooly ones either but am even less fond of owners who pluck them like a chicken.. :doh: As it happens, I'm driving 3 hrs to look at a pup this morning after similar experiences. I prefer male dogs but already have a big male so wanted a female. After getting bumped and dicked about with female pups I've agreed to look at a male. His great grandmother is my dogs mother, and that fellow will be 11y.o. this month, so I'm guessing the sad reality is that he wont be around for when the fighting starts.

Anyway, this was another vote for GWPs. If they match your personality, finest race of dogs ever created, with Daylight coming a distant second :dance:
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deerhunter338mag wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 1:35 am
If you interested in a Vizslar then I'll put you onto Carlos as he has puppys a few times throughout the year. He's a very keen deerhunter and also attends a lot of gun dog field retriever trials. When I was younger I did a fair bit of it with my GSP Buck a black and white one and end up getting a CD title with him. Was a bit of fun but it sure took a real lot of time and a lot of weekends traveling all over the place. What I really learnt was to get a dog that was like a robot and win all the championships those breeders would go through a lot of dogs just for that one. It was all about the Kennel name and to get that prestage. I guess we all know what happen to the dogs that didn't make the cut. Doggie people are a funny lot. :roll:
:handgestures-thumbup: :handgestures-thumbup: :handgestures-thumbup: Vizslar sounds good - please let me know.

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Cmon, name and shame a few kennels
I’ve been out of the GSP loop for almost 15 years and as much as I miss having a dog I know how bad most of the breeders were in one state and I don’t feel like spending the time sorting wheat from chaff in another any time soon :|

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Rifletuner wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 2:06 am
deerhunter338mag wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 1:35 am
If you interested in a Vizslar then I'll put you onto Carlos as he has puppys a few times throughout the year. He's a very keen deerhunter and also attends a lot of gun dog field retriever trials. When I was younger I did a fair bit of it with my GSP Buck a black and white one and end up getting a CD title with him. Was a bit of fun but it sure took a real lot of time and a lot of weekends traveling all over the place. What I really learnt was to get a dog that was like a robot and win all the championships those breeders would go through a lot of dogs just for that one. It was all about the Kennel name and to get that prestage. I guess we all know what happen to the dogs that didn't make the cut. Doggie people are a funny lot. :roll:
:handgestures-thumbup: :handgestures-thumbup: :handgestures-thumbup: Vizslar sounds good - please let me know.

Yes, being good at anything takes an enormous amount of commitment. A lot of people want the result, but vary few will work for it.
Its awesome to watch a robots in action at these trails. But it took a lot of dog's to get a good one. :violence-enforcer: If you do get one from Carlos it will already have some of the basic obedience. Like any good tradesman he likes to know he's sending out a dog that has the potential, then it's up to you. I'll send him a message for you and to find out when the next lot will be cooked and ready.
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That is a common refrain among some moose hunters - that you have to go through a number of dogs to find a good one. After a while though, when it always seems to be the same guys, you have to start to wonder who it is that has the problem......
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Vaughan wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 3:10 am That is a common refrain among some moose hunters - that you have to go through a number of dogs to find a good one. After a while though, when it always seems to be the same guys, you have to start to wonder who it is that has the problem......
Yep that’s right. I ran into a guy up the bush one time that had a GWP that he fully imported from Denmark. Was not a cheap excuse. He said he’s just got sick of the breeds and breeders out here and how the dogs are so aggressive and dumb. He’s dog was of good temperament and very much under effective control. He now has a very small group of guys that have done the same thing and they all breed together. I think to get into this group you might need to hand over $20k and then some. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤪🤣🤣
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deerhunter338mag wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 3:36 am
Vaughan wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 3:10 am That is a common refrain among some moose hunters - that you have to go through a number of dogs to find a good one. After a while though, when it always seems to be the same guys, you have to start to wonder who it is that has the problem......
Yep that’s right. I ran into a guy up the bush one time that had a GWP that he fully imported from Denmark. Was not a cheap excuse. He said he’s just got sick of the breeds and breeders out here and how the dogs are so aggressive and dumb. He’s dog was of good temperament and very much under effective control. He now has a very small group of guys that have done the same thing and they all breed together. I think to get into this group you might need to hand over $20k and then some. 🤦🏼‍♂️🤪🤣🤣
Drathaars here are aggressive and dumb because some breeders here have made them that way. As has been described earlier in this thread "(chasing) too many dollars and not enough sense". Mine was neither aggressive, nor dumb, but that was before the gotta have one craze took off.

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