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Just Stop It!

Post by Corjack » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:43 am



There are no fleas on the 9.3s


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Post by Chief » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:47 am

Good thing I never started then.

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Post by SPEEDY » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:55 am

Tried it once, made no friggen difference at all, I've never done it again.
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Post by deerhunter338mag » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:58 pm

Never done it waste of time.
Measure it, when it’s on the deck

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Post by 9.3x64 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:42 pm

deerhunter338mag wrote:Never done it waste of time.
Same here.
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Post by Discogodfather » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:59 pm

The video isn't telling the whole story, it depends on your setup. If you have a strange chamber that is out of spec and have some FL die that is different, then it just dosen't work. In precision rifle, the die is usually very accurately sized to the chamber using either a reamer matched to the chamber or a die made from fired brass. When you have a cheap FL die that is out of spec, that can also cause problems.

It's all about tolerances, if you have FL die that is exactly the same as your chamber and has .02" off the shoulder than it's all good. If you don't, then neck sizing helps because you are using the chamber to form the brass.

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Post by thomasr1969 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:31 am

I neck size and have none of the issues he describes. Not saying he is wrong. Its just what I have always done. I don't have to worry about accuracy really because the guns are already more accurate than I can shoot them anyway.

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Post by stokesrj » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:13 pm

I've seen so many presentations of opinions like this one that prove to be just totally wrong that I don't believe most of them, and go by what I prove or disprove myself. It could be correct, or it could be situationally correct or it could be just so much hot air.

I started my reloading career with a lee hand die and a hammer, it neck sized only and produced sub MOA ammo with just a powder dipper. This was a long time ago when sub MOA was considered very accurate. That die was a neck size only die, and I never had any problems whatsoever with it other than others being annoyed by the hammering :)

I have produced many sub 1/2 MOA capable reloads using full length sizing dies with and without bushings. So there is no doubt Full length resizing can produce very accurate ammunition. However, I don't think it can match carefully tuned neck sized ammunition.
I base this opinion on my two most accurate rifles, a Stolle Panda barreled with a Kreiger barrel chambered by Speedy Gonzalez in 6.5 Grendel and my 6mm Norma BR fluted match Blaser R8 barrel. Both of these will shoot 1/2" groups at 300 yards with neck sized cases and bullets seated with in line seating dies such as the LE Wilson. Thomaž shot a 1 3/4" group at 600 yards with my 6mm Norma BR using neck sized cases. So I know that neck sized cases can produce excellent accuracy. I also know it can produce the problems cited in this video if you don't know what you're doing.

I'm running some experiments with my 204 Ruger barrel using neck sized compared to full length sized brass as well as other benchrest loading techniques such as neck turned, primer pocket uniformed, flash hole deburred brass in an attempt to understand more fully what if any of this makes the most difference in well tuned accurate ammo. I've already achieved five shot groups in the thee's .3 MOA using full length resized cases so it will be interesting to see if I can better that with neck sized cases or come to the same conclusion with neck sizing, "just stop it".
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Post by Corjack » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:10 am

There are no fleas on the 9.3s


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Post by deerhunter338mag » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:30 am

Looks like Full has it :clap: :clap:
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Post by Corjack » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:05 am

Even Speedy Gonzales, the fellow who built Stokes rifle, full length sizes. Perhaps he needs to interview the neck only sizers/losers.
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Post by pagosawingnut » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:57 am

I have always, and will continue, to full length resize. Have not ever just necksized.
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Post by stokesrj » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:40 pm

Corjack wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:05 am
Even Speedy Gonzales, the fellow who built Stokes rifle, full length sizes. Perhaps he needs to interview the neck only sizers/losers.
That's odd, Ive personally watched Speedy neck size only and win matches.
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Post by Blasernovice » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:15 pm

Try and track down “secrets of the Houston warehouse”. The guy doesn’t even neck size. He has a minimum sized chamber and reloads by pushing the projectile back in by hand. Shoots crazy tiny groups too.

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Post by Blasernovice » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:17 pm

Here is the link to the Secrets of the Houston Warehouse article

https://precisionrifleblog.com/2013/10/ ... -accuracy/

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