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If only the LE has guns, who will protect the people from LE?

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Jesus, I think the biggest take away from that is.
the district attorney justified the case of mistaken identity due to the fact that the officers involved were afraid and incompetent.
Now if you had a CC and shot back out of genuine fear for your life I bet you would get charged with attempted murder.

I guess the moral of this story is thank Fcuk that Lapd can't shoot for Siht.
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SPEEDY wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:56 am
Jesus, I think the biggest take away from that is.
the district attorney justified the case of mistaken identity due to the fact that the officers involved were afraid and incompetent.
Now if you had a CC and shot back out of genuine fear for your life I bet you would get charged with attempted murder.

I guess the moral of this story is thank Fcuk that Lapd can't shoot for Siht.

I think since the patriot act in the US, law enforcement militarized , and attudues about quality of officers did not. That is not to say there are not of really good super decent LE officers out there. When I read ar hear of weekly reports of officer shooting unarmed persons, shooting dogs on private property . We had a sherif deputy out crawling into people's back yards late at night looking for an offender, and shot some people's beagle mix for growling and barking at him. If my dog growls at an intruder LE or otherwise, she is just defending me and my property. If you shoot a LE dog, they consider it almost a murder.
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Big thing over here when they shot an Australian citizen when she went outside, unarmed, in a pink dressing gown and approached a police car behind her house as it looked lost ect.
She approached the drivers side and the passenger shot from his side across the driver and killed her on the driver's side.
Now thats murder in my book.

Oh and shoot one of my dogs in my yard then I guess I'm going to jail for murder because cop or criminal I'm unloading you you.
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Big thing over here when they shot an Australian citizen when she went outside, unarmed, in a pink dressing gown and approached a police car behind her house as it looked lost ect.
She approached the drivers side and the passenger shot from his side across the driver and killed her on the driver's side.
Now thats murder in my book.

Oh and shoot one of my dogs in my yard then I guess I'm going to jail for murder because cop or criminal I'm unloading you you.

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“How do you mistake two Hispanic women, one who is 71, for a large black male?”
Maybe because you can't see them through the gunsmoke? :think:
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I always thought police were only supposed to discharge their firearm at a perceived threat.
That threat isn't a car slowly driving down the road, they also aren't allowed to shoot on sight, or at targets they can't identify.
I'm guessing the real problem here is California, they are so liberal and indoctrinate public servants so thoroughly they the can't tell the difference between someone that's White, Hispanic or black and never assume a person's gender based on how they look or what body parts they do or don't possess.
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Well, the take away is any bad guys reading that story gotta be thinking, if the cops are after him the chances are they're going to shoot The Little Old Lady from Pasadena instead of him.....eventually. Pretty sad.

Years ago we had a rash bank robberies from bad guys who came up from L.A. I think it was something like 5 or 6 over a period of a year. In every case our police chased them down and shot the sh!t of them, no bad guys survived. The word must have gotten out not to rob banks in Bakersfield because that ended it for a long time. The police did have one embarrassing episode during a running shoot out during a car chase. They ended up firing about 99 rounds to shoot three robbers during the chase. Luckily no bystanders were struck but you gotta wonder where did all those rounds go.
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dchamp wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:03 am
Well, the take away is any bad guys reading that story gotta be thinking, if the cops are after him the chances are they're going to shoot The Little Old Lady from Pasadena instead of him.....eventually. Pretty sad.

Years ago we had a rash bank robberies from bad guys who came up from L.A. I think it was something like 5 or 6 over a period of a year. In every case our police chased them down and shot the sh!t of them, no bad guys survived. The word must have gotten out not to rob banks in Bakersfield because that ended it for a long time. The police did have one embarrassing episode during a running shoot out during a car chase. They ended up firing about 99 rounds to shoot three robbers during the chase. Luckily no bystanders were struck but you gotta wonder where did all those rounds go.
It is not just a California thing ether. The unarmed Aussie lady in her nightgown, that got shot by the policeman, was in Minnesota.
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In Victoria in Australia they shoot a guy for getting a blow job in a nightclub.
They don't think that was an overreaction either.

But it's starting to reach the point over there that your safer from criminals then you are from police.
95% of officers might be great, well trained and safety minded people, but if they don't start weeding out the trigger happy shoot 1st and let PR/lawyers sort it out later element.
Or you will wind up with a British style police force where patrol officers are unarmed and specialist armed officers have to get called in when things get dicey.
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And here is a case where Le may have shot their own dog.

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K9's should have vests, both bullet and stab proof.
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