Would you pay $2300 for a Remington 700?

[thechamp]

It's the new and improved Remington 700 North American. It comes from their custom shop... I came across this tonight while piddling on the net. Never seen it or heard of it before. Found several websites that have bits and pieces about it. From what I gather Remington is finally willing to build a MOA rifle for the mere sum of $2300 give or take a few bucks. And it'll weigh 7.5#s Weatherby will guarantee you that MOA for $800-$900, Thompson's Icon will do the same for $750+-. Tikka and Sakos A7 are both MOA and around $600 in stainless and under 7#s. Which btw the A7 is a pretty slick rifle for the money. Lots of features for that kind of money.

Why can't Remington build a MOA rifle for less than a grand when it appears almost everybody else is doing it? $2300 to have that name on my gun isn't impressive. For a few bucks more you can have a distinctive weapon, Sauer, Blaser, Mauser or Merkel for that matter. Plus the first three of those offer a 10 year warranty compared to Remingtons 2 year which I believe is even restricted to the original purchaser. TC's Icon has a lifetime warranty and I haven't seen one yet that won't do 1/2" to 3/4" with factory ammo. Not sure about the Sako but I would suspect it would be pretty good also. We won't even mention Savage.... they might shoot good but last time I looked they pretty much had the 'fugly' side of things locked up. They're getting better but sure no eye candy there!

It seems since this new company took over Remington things have certainly changed. I suspect as long as somebody is willing to shell out that kind of money for a 700 they'll take it. I have an older Remington 700 in 270 that's a very good rifle. I suspect I have around $1100 in it now but it's about as good as a 700 can be. Needless to say it's not the stock rifle that it was but that's still a far cry from $2300. I personally think Remington's 'cash cow' owners are going to milk that company for what they can and then sell it to somebody else. In the meantime their production rifles have the cheapest cheesiest stocks on them that they can put out. A lot of their workmanship is not what it was 5-10 years ago. Their finishes are not of high quality. I've had a couple the last few years that simply didn't pass any test and were liquidated pretty quick.

Not picking on the folks that have this one for sale but in the event some of you haven't seen it here it is for reference.

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displ ... &oh=216543

And below is the blurp on the Remington Site which is rather difficult to find. I had to do a search for North American for it to come up. It didn't come up under the 700 section.

http://www.remington.com/pages/news-and ... ustom.aspx

[SPEEDY]

I have had some awesome Remingtons over the years but none stayed the factory original condition for very long, I wouldn't pay that for one but, not when you can get an SPS cheap and then pimp it up.

It's a good thing that the only bolt action that I'm going to own from now is a Blaser, so all I have to worry about now is fun with lever actions and pumps

[thechamp]

I brought this up on another board that has a lot of Remington, Winchester, Sako, etc., owners on it. Not much response yet but one of the members basically said the same thing. Why buy a 700 that's been tweaked by Remington when you can buy an action, Kreiger barrel, McMillan Edge stock and put it together for less money and know you have a gun that will shoot? I do not see Remington being able to pull the wool over very many people's eyes with this scam. This reminds me of the saying about putting lipstick on a pig, you still have a pig when you're done decorating! There was a time not many years ago when Remington Custom Shop actually meant something. I don't believe that to be the case any longer. The Remington TI stocks that were built by B&C are good stocks and comparable to McMillans, but they're still not one. You'd think that Remington would at least use the McMillans to build their Custom Shop rifle. This isn't much but an upgraded SPS if you ask me...

450 posted on the leveractions board about Marlin being closed down by Remington. I saw it last night for the first time. Seems Marlin hasn't been generating enough profit to keep the new Remington owners happy. So do they sell it to somebody else to own and manage? NO, they're going to elminate them. Rumor has it they might bring them back somewhere else, ala Winchester's 70s that were brought back from the grave in the Carolinas. All businesses need to make money or at least enough to stay in business. But when the entire objective is how much of a profit you can squeeze out of a gun company I don't think it'll bode well for the gun maker. Gun making has never been a highly profitable venture.

[retrieverman]

$2300 for a Remington is INSANE! Especially when you can probably find a R-93 for that or less and not be restricted to one caliber.

I love talking to Remington owners that brag how great their guns shoot, but when I start asking questions, it turns out that there is a lot of customization and not much Remington.

I will be honest. I have owned a couple of older Senderos that actually shot quite well, but I have never really been able to make myself like a Remington rifle.

[Olsen]

Never

[deerhunter338mag]

Every Rem I have every seen needs work on it. The triggers are not the best. I was at the Range one day and this young kid was watching me shot and asked why I could hit the bullseye so well and I told him that my trigger was the key. he said to me, mine is crap have a go so I did. I took aim then stopped to check the safety was off and the kid laugh at me he said that what every one does. That's how bad the trigger was I told him to get that seen to. Most of them need bedding and floating before there any good and I know of 2 people that the stocks have cracked in use. The gun is not for me

[deerhunter338mag]

Every Rem I have every seen needs work on it. The triggers are not the best. I was at the Range one day and this young kid was watching me shot and asked why I could hit the bullseye so well and I told him that my trigger was the key. he said to me, mine is crap have a go so I did. I took aim then stopped to check the safety was off and the kid laugh at me he said that what every one does. That's how bad the trigger was I told him to get that seen to. Most of them need bedding and floating before there any good and I know of 2 people that the stocks have cracked in use. The gun is not for me

Once again I have come to the same concussion regarding this firearm A guy at work asked me to mount a scope and boar sight it for him. I put the trigger puller on and it was 5 pounds 8 out of 10 times and was not bedded or floating. I asked the gunsmith how much to do this for him and it will cost around $250 for all the work to be done

[thechamp]

Once again I have come to the same concussion regarding this firearm. A guy at work asked me to mount a scope and bore sight it for him. I put the trigger puller on and it was 5 pounds 8 out of 10 times and was not bedded or floating. I asked the gunsmith how much to do this for him and it will cost around $250 for all the work to be done

Yep, I like the old ones, haven't seen a recent production rifle of theirs that's much to brag about. Hope he has a good barrel...he won't know until he gets the other issue squared away! I think Mauserman has one of their police snipers and from what he says it’s a very good rifle. They may still be spending a bit more time on those since the majority of American police departments seem to think that a 700 is the 'best' there is... However when it comes to their hunting guns it's disgusting. The new polymer stocks shouldn't even be sold they're so crappy. Pigeon has one of their original Titaniums and they were a very well made lightweight hunting rifle. Their new Alaskan TI is heavier and from what I hear has the same accuracy issues that the other new rifles have. I'm sure when the current owners start losing money they'll sell the company back to gun folks. At least I hope so... Smith & Wesson went through this during the Clinton years when they made a deal with the anti-gunners and at the same time were owned by a foreign corporation. Their market share took a nose dive like never before. The owners sold out taking a huge hit and the company was rebuilt and is putting out very good quality pistols, rifles and shotguns. They're back and doing very well. Let's hope Remington follows this path instead of the other one...

This reminds me to complain about their rifle ammunition. I've heard some good things about their Golden Saber pistol ammo, etc. Also never had an issue with their shotgun fodder. However out of all the rifles I own there isn't one that will shoot current production Remington ammunition accurately. I've heard from the clerks at the big gun shops that I'm not the only one finding that problem. I’ve tried their new Accutips in 22-250, 243, 270 Win, 7 Rem Mag and they didn’t shoot well in any of the rifles. Also have tried various Corelokts in 270, 25-06, 7 Rem Mag and also had very poor results. If Winchester, Federal and Hornady can manufacture quality rifle ammo there is no reason for Remington to fail this badly. I emailed them a couple years back and inquired when they were going to give up on their Accutips and go back to loading Noslers….. They replied that they weren’t considering that. Oh well, I tried!

[retrieverman]

I had a falling out with Remington shotgun ammo about 15 years ago when I had a box of duck loads get wet (they are SUPPOSED to be sealed). Not one shell in the entire box would go BANG. I ended up leaving them on the bottom of the lake, and I borrowed some Winchesters from a friend to finish the hunt.

Since then, I have never bought a box of ANY Remington ammo period, and now that I reload, I don't buy anything but pistol ammo anyway.

[deerhunter338mag]

Yeah your right there the stock I think it's hollow just rubbish. I said to him I will load up some ammo for to help tailor the the gun to make it a bit better.

[HunterAU]

you couldnt give me a Rem..... I would prefer to burn the $$$ then get a Rem... Thats MO..

[deerhunter338mag]

you couldnt give me a Rem..... I would prefer to burn the $$$ then get a Rem... Thats MO..

go on Chris burn the $$$$ I would like to see that

[thechamp]

you couldnt give me a Rem..... I would prefer to burn the $$$ then get a Rem... Thats MO..

go on Chris burn the $$$$ I would like to see that

Me too... actually as someone suggested the 700 is a good platform to build a rifle with. Or you can just buy an Icon, Tikka or A7 that doesn't need to be 'built' and save yourself a lot of hassle and have a finished product that's worth close to what you paid for. Customizing 700s is as old as the hills and you will hardly ever get back what you put into one. I see them for sale all the time. Guy's got a list of crap that cost him $2500 and he's asking $1800 and it ain't happening. McWhorters are high as a cat's back and the don't even fetch close to their price on the used market. I have more in my old 700 than I should have but I kind of liked it and figured it wasn't going to get sold till I dropped dead so I put more into it. As an investment it wasn't a smart move. Some day I'll get a McMillan Edge for it and then will really have too much in it...