stupid hunting and gun laws and regulations-country contest

[caçador]

My previous posts here inspired me to release a new (probable never ending) ,international quiz about the most stupid regulations and laws, just about guns and hunt (because if we go further then the memory of the computer will be not enough).
I know that in the very end, Portugal will win by far...
so I let you to shoot first! say the most stupid you remember at your country or region, I bet I'll have better....

[dinsdale]

Reading your other post I'm sure you will win

Where I live in New York, hand gun regulations are difficult and complicated;but you can have one.

For example;each county has their own regs they can set all within the overall frame work dictated by the state;and there are 62 different counties.

In my county all licenses issued are full conceal carry,no training required.If I move to another county they may require training and a full backround check,even though I already passed this (except for a training class) in my county.And some only allow certain types of license,hunting only,concealed,target only or combinations.

Some counties give out slips to buy a gun to add to your license.Go to the store pick one out and take it home, fill out the paperwork and turn it in to whoever takes care of the permits....county clerk,sheriff's office,county court.

Here's my county;
Pick out a gun,pay for it.
Take the receipt and only in person deliver it to the main sheriffs office, about an hour drive for me.It's located inside the county jail so go through a full search and backround check just to get in the door everytime.
Pay $5 to put it on your license.
Wait til a judge signs off on it....but only one county judge of 5 can do this and he only does this one day a month if he has time.
4-10 weeks later get your new license by mail and then go pick up the hand gun.
Even with a private sale the process is the same,I cannot have or transport any hand gun without papers.

I would have to redo this if I lived in another county;but my license is still good to carry anywhere in the state except NY City; where no one...even an off duty police officer,can carry with out yet another special permit.

Because my state doesn't recognize any others states carry permits,Other states will not recognize mine,even though my permit process has the most difficult back round check to pass in the U.S.So I cannot transport any of my hand guns to hunt in another state,except if they have no regs,,,ie Alaska

[Aholz]

Stupidity has no limitations. Here are current rules from Russia. First of all to buy a shotgun you must be a member of State Hunters and Fishermen Club, that requires to take training and pass Hunters Minimum Knowledge test. After receiving your Hunters Club member ID you have to go to you local Licenses and Registrations Department of your regional police and take an application and some other special forms. You have to obtain some papers from your regional psychiatrist that your are not Koo-koo, or epileptic, than get a paper that your are not an alcoholic or drug addict. After that you have to buy a safe, bring it home and bolt it to your floor and you wall. Than you have to find a police officer who is responsible for your neighborhood and invite him to approve the safe and get form him another paper that you are not known as a domestic troublemaker.
The funny thing is that all required papers have an expiration date and the application expires in a month. Usually there is not enough one month to obtain all the papers because for each one you have to sit in line, wait for them to be filled (not necessary the same day or even week) So, your are facing a dilemma: to have it not done or to look for a faster way through passing some cash under the table.
Finally you get all the papers and go back to L&R Department again. They will review them and you will get a “green slip” – the paper required to buy a shotgun. No gun dealers will talk to you without that “green slip” and you are not allowed to handle any firearms without it. It is valid for one month only. If you are lucky and you find and buy a gun you want. If you are not so lucky, than you have to start from the very beginning.
So you are lucky, and with your new shotgun you have to go back to L&R Department, where they check serial numbers and start working on your permanent Gun Permit. In a week or so you are a legal owner of a shotgun and can buy shells and go hunting. The funniest thing is: each year you have to renew you permanent Gun Permit. It means that you have to do almost everything again.
To be qualified for getting a rifle you have to own a shotgun for 5 years. The procedure is about the same, but in addition you have to submit your rifle for test shooting. They keep spent brass and bullets in your file.
Who can beat those rules???

[dinsdale]

Thats pretty good Aholz;

For my hand gun permit in NY it would be interesting to know if they copied Russia or Russia copied NY.

I had to;

Buy an Application package again at the Jail office;

Have 30 days to submit 4 signed affadavits by 4 county residents none of whom could be related to me or each other(no brothers,husband/wife,and NO law enforcement) Of course the fact my 2 neighbors-one is a 30 year veteran of the State Police and runs the regional investigation unit,and the other a decorated Conservation Officer doesn't matter they are LEO's and not eligible.Of course your references have to go to town court which around here is only 2 days aweek for 4 hrs in the mornings,and get sworn in to sign the papers.....

Each person has to fill out 20 questions of which 14 have to do with mental state;even though they are not qualified other than a laymans opinion.

Pass and submit the basic Federal backround check,get photos made,submit fingerprints although they need a two week heads up on the appointment;but only if you can show up with your affadavits complete.


Yikes!!!!!!!!!


Forgot to add any new gun here needs a spent casing and a bullet submitted(the dealer does this) and to date $3 Million has been spent and ZERO cases have been solved with the program.The next one is a micro stamped firing pin law so a tiny mark is left on the primer from a spent round.Welcome to NY.

[Aholz]

In 2007 my PH in South Africa was a lieutenant colonel of a police department. We have discussed this topic with him in details. So much similarity in the gun laws there.
I think that is as with Down syndrome. People who suffer with it all look the same. The same is with the people who makes gun laws.

[Roe Deer]

Here in GE there are about 350 k hunters and, I think, about 1,5 Mio shooters in a pop. of ~82 Mio). With same laws all over GE, hunters and shooters have to stand severe hunters and shooters tests and an approved & licensed & insured bona fide hunter or sports shooter is allowed to buy an unrestricted amount of "long hunting or sports guns" (sports shooters may be restrictedin one rifle or shotgun per discipline).
We buy the guns in the shop or via mail, the seller has to keep record concerning gun maker, type, number, caliber and so on. Within 2 weeks you have to registrate the gun with the officials, that costs you some bucks (12-50 €, depending on "poverty" of the county) and may be done even via mail.
Handguns are restricted by number. Sports shooter are allowed one handgun per shooting discipline, hunters are allowed two handguns.
Some guys, mostly scientific collectors, technicians or experts like me, are exempted and for them the number of handguns is not restricted.

Good Old Germany is not that bad, concerning possession of guns...

[Dom]

Man, not sure I can top you's but will give it a try.

Let's start with the easy process, hunting in Germany. First you have to get a hunting license, sounds easy right? Not so fast, takes a normal local average 9 months or so. For US Forces we get a big break, takes only about 10 weeks. Many subjects covered, law, entire species (ID, age, habitat, rut season, etc) for all game animals and birds, waterfowl, raptors, dogs, predators, etc. Then testing out, shooting, written, and oral. If you pass, and there's no guarantee there, you have to apply yourself, then you get a hunting license -- after you get insurance & background check, I think it's 1m personal and 3m liability or whatever amount you want.

It's fairly simple after that, just go purchase what you want, you then have two weeks to get it registered. To get registered is a pile of paperwork, background check, application, copy of hunting license, receipt, etc. It's registered and off you go. There is a limit of 2 handguns per hunter, with special permission for one or two more special if you can prove you need them, i.e., training, nachsuche (searching for wounded).

Sportshooters have it a lot tougher. How much more 'stuff' does the average law abiding guy got to go thru just to go hunting????

That's it in a nutshell, there's a bunch of special stuff if you need it and it applies to you, but this is about average. You must carry your reg/hunting documents with you whenever you transport. I'm somewhat surprised Portugal's legalities are so stubborn Interesting topic, guess I can only say no matter how bad we got it here we could have it worse!! Waidmannsheil, Dom.

[Ploika]

In Sweden it's not so different from Germany. You need to do theoretical and practical tests to be approved to buy a hunting gun, and the first couple of years you may not have more than four. After a while you may have up to six, without too much trouble. You may have more than six, but then you really must have good reasons. And what good reasons are decides the police authority, who's in charge of gun licensing.
One positive thing is that you may have as many barrels as you like, since the action counts as the "base" of the gun. But you must have a licence for each barrel. A licence costs 60 euro for the first and 22 euro for the following.
Handguns are not allowed for hunting, except single shot 22LR for killing trapped animals, and to get a licence for such a gun you must prove that you do trapping to some extent.
Sport shooters may have a few more guns, but then you must (I think, could be wrong) be member in a club, and that for some time before you can buy a handgun.
And you must store your guns in a safe.

Although I would like it to be a bit easier to buy guns, I can say it could have been a lot worse. Perhaps it's because we have a long tradition of hunting in Sweden.
But it's only approx 4% (of 9 millions) who hunt, and with an rapidly aging hunter "corps" and an increasing number of "concrete dwellers" it's hard to be optimistic about any improvement in the future.


And there are also increasing pressure on dealers to have high security in their shops, both sophisticated alarms and caissons, possibly to show that the authorities take the increasing numbers of guns which are smuggled into Sweden seriously.........................................


Finally, I think if it's a contest worth mentioning, we should have a first price. Any suggestions? Honourable citizenship in the country with least number of stupid gun laws?

[SPEEDY]

Lets see,

Have to get a safe checked by the cops before buying a rifle for the 1st time,
28 day cooling off period for both your license and every rifle that you buy,
You need written permission for every property that you hunt on and carry it,
You cant own a semi auto rifle, shotgun or pump action shotgun, but you can own a pump action rifle or lever action rifle,
You get random safe inspections,
Need another permit for every gun you buy,
There are heaps more that change state to state.

[NE450No2]

Here in Texas, you walk in the "Gun Store", pick out the gun you want, long gun or handgun and fill out the ATF paperwork.

Then the dealer calls in for the instant background check.

Sometimes there might be a delay, if you have a common name, or the system is backed up.

If you have a Concealed Carry License, the dealer does not have to make the call, you just pay for the gun and walk out the door.

[Aholz]

You guys have drive-through liquer stores there. I love Taxas!

[retrieverman]

One of the screwed up laws in my area of Texas is tracking dogs being illegal. It is not a law in the entire state, but this area has a long standing tradition of running deer with dogs which is extremely illegal now. However, it is legal to hunt squirrels and hogs with dogs, so all I ever do is hunt hogs with Annie.

[thechamp]

You guys have drive-through liquer stores there. I love Taxas!

Your comment reminds me of the old joke that ATF should stand for a store that sells Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms!

We're doing ok in Texas but sure remember the days before 1964 when you could mail order any rifle, shotgun or pistol and have it sent to your house. Those were the good old days.

[Aholz]

One of the screwed up laws in my area of Texas is tracking dogs being illegal. It is not a law in the entire state, but this area has a long standing tradition of running deer with dogs which is extremely illegal now. However, it is legal to hunt squirrels and hogs with dogs, so all I ever do is hunt hogs with Annie.

In our holly democratic state that produses time-to-time some strange presidents, corrapted governers and other manure they decided that no one is allowed to hunt with rifles Shotguns and muzzleloaders only

[retrieverman]

In our holly democratic state that produses time-to-time some strange presidents, corrapted governers and other manure they decided that no one is allowed to hunt with rifles Shotguns and muzzleloaders only

Though I dearly love to hunt with a muzzleloader, that is a screwed up deal.