Page 1 of 1
A touch Political
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:52 am
by Corjack
While I consider myself sorta conservitive, I do not consider myself racist, and try to be open minded about others views. (Up to a certain point) When it comes to immigration issues in the US, I again am open minded up to a point. I feel that anyone that wants to move to the US, and does not have crimminal intentions should be welcomed freely. The biggest problem I have is that many fine folks from all over the world want to come to the US, but have to jump through hoops, finacially and buaracratically to get here, only to find that not only do they need to learn english, they also will need to learn spanish as well. Mexico pushes them across the border, in hopes they will send a small amount of money home to boast their corrupt and haphazard economy, to where the haves can stay in power over the have nots. The hispanics flee mexico to get away from poverty, crime and corruption, and the first thing they do is form communities full of crime, poverty and corruption. Now don't get me wrong, I think these are mostly good folks, with good intentions, that do not know how to get out of a rut. The current political climate in the US is in a rut of their own, and their solution to the problem is mostly the same old manure, different day approach. Taxes totaly suck, but we got a have em. The solution is simple, if you want to come here to live and work you got to pay taxes, if you can not accept that, you should stay where you are at. Ether hand all the immigrants a tax ID card and prosecute any employer that hires someone with out it severely, or have a national sales tax or VAT, that way everybody is treated the same. No racism, no favoritism, no questions and simple.
Re: A touch Political
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:12 am
by BLASERNUT
There are immigration laws on the books, and as long as that is the case you cannot subjectively choose which one applies (or doesn't) on any given day.... I would also have to add the large majority are hardworking and have something positive to add to our society - on the other hand I DON"T want to have to press 1 for english...
Re: A touch Political
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:17 pm
by thechamp
Good post. Agree with most everything you got there. Only caveat I'd add is that there be no VAT and abolish the income tax in favor of a national sales tax. Keep medication, food and certain other items out of the taxation cycle and the poor people will still not be paying much but at least we won't be giving them 'refunds' for money they didn't pay in the first place! If people received their pay check without income tax already withheld the economy would flourish like nothing you've ever seen. Set the national sales tax high enough in the first place so you can fund the government and let it take off. The sales tax is the easiest to collect and the easiest for businesses to pay. You'd cut the labor required to do all the current paperwork thus providing more money to pay people who actually would produce work that would increase the bottom line instead of take away from it.
Those that are against a national sales tax often cite the example that those ‘evil rich people’ wouldn’t spend any money if taxes were based on sales tax instead of income. All I can say is BS! People who have money will either spend some to lead a better life or they’re hoarders now already. They won’t change in that respect. Plus the whole idea of making better money is to enhance your lifestyle in the first place. My brother doesn’t think anything about spending a grand on a dinner for him and his friends. He’s still going to do this if the sales taxes were higher because first - he enjoys that aspect of his life, second - he’d just have gotten one hell of a raise in ‘pay’ from not having to give Uncle Sam XXXXX $$ a year in the first place.
The other example is that the poor would be punished. I’ve used the following argument in relation to that being BS. First off someone making $10 an hour or less isn’t making enough to live on in the first place. They have to pay for housing, food, transportation, utilities, etc., just like the rest of us. Once those items are paid for, please tell me how much ‘spendable’ income is left to buy ‘taxable’ items? Not very much. The fact that they still buy some is really irrelevant because it won’t be enough to impact them. They still buy cigarrettes, alcohol and lottery tickets which are some of the highest taxed items in the country!
Things could be fixed and fixed quite well. Problem is its all politics and pretending to do things that you can ‘sell’ to the idiots to buy more votes next time around.
As for immigrants coming here to work, no problem as far as I’m concerned. Just do it the right and legal way and if you commit a lower level crime here your butt is exported in the next shipping crate back home. If it’s a crime punishable by the death penalty – well we’ll just have to treat you as if you were one of our own and carry it out also. Severe criminal acts still would need to be handled through imprisonment. Sending them home could wind up with them sneaking back into the country just to be criminals.
Also agree on criminal penalties for hiring undocumented workers. That would put an end to a lot of the nonsense. I personally believe a lot are coming here to ‘open’ their own criminal enterprise and that has to stop. Living in Texas gives us enough direct experience to know this is a real problem.
Either way I’m going to try to enjoy of what’s left of my life and not worry about things that I really have no control over. Expressing my view to those that represent me is about all one can do. After that buy a good rifle and go hunting!
Re: A touch Political
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:55 pm
by retrieverman
I am unashamedly a racist but an equal opportunity one. I hate whites, blacks, Mexican, Vietnamese, Chinese, Japanese, Australians, Danes, Swedes, Germans, and the list can go on and on.
IF, they won't work and contribute to society, commit crimes, expect something for nothing, leach off those of us that do work, and try to infringe on
MY RIGHTS as a natural born American.
I am friends with quite a few Mexican families, both legal and illegal, and they are with exception really good hard working folks. I would hate to see any of them sent back to Mexico. None of these families that come to my mind fall into ANY of the categories I listed previously. Without exception, every family works hard to provide for themselves, they support their community, and they want their children to succeed and have a better life than they have had.
In the grand scheme of current American politics, I whole heartily support what Arizona is doing with enforcing the immigration laws that the national government chooses to overlook, and I hope that we can make a move toward changing the political climate of this country with the elections in November.

