Firearms restrictions

[deerhunter338mag]

that video clips makes them look a bit dumb

[thechamp]

Seems the cops aren't welcome at Dennys unless they leave their guns in the car. Seriously? Yes..... Illinois of course. Rahm Emanuel and other kooks...


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/la-n ... 6488.story

Cops kicked out of Denny's for having guns; chief bans Denny's

Five plainclothes detectives were kicked out of a Denny's restaurant for carrying their guns.

By Matt Pearce
11:41 a.m. CST, January 3, 2013

Are you a cop? Do you carry a gun? Don't go to the Denny's in Belleville, Ill.

You are not allowed, the police chief says. Not after what happened Tuesday.

The flapjacks -- sorry, the flap -- began when several on-duty detectives with the Belleville Police Department dropped in to Denny's for some on-duty noshing, according to local media.

They had their badges and their guns, but as detectives, not their uniforms, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. This bothered a patron who then complained to a manager, David Rice, who then complained to one of the detectives: Please take your gun to your car or leave. No guns allowed. (underline mine!)

"Upon further discussion, we became aware the individual was a plain-clothed police officer," Denny's spokeswoman Liz DiTrapano said in a statement, according to the News-Democrat. "Denny's policy permits law enforcement officials to carry their firearms in the restaurant, and we regret any misunderstanding."

Denny's sure does, because despite the efforts of a general manager who tried (and failed) to clear up the misunderstanding before the detectives left, the department's chief banned on-duty and off-duty police in uniform from returning to the restaurant.

"This was an insult, a slap in the face, to those detectives and to all of the men and women who proudly wear the uniform or badge and serve in law enforcement," Police Chief William Clay said, according to the News-Democrat.

"This individual [Rice] was the manager of Denny's. He therefore speaks for Denny's, in my mind. This policy effectively prohibits on-duty sworn police officers from dining in a Denny's Restaurant, but allows 'registered sex offenders,' 'felons' and or 'pedophiles' to enjoy a dining experience in Denny's."
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I think this chief and I would get along just fine! Kudos for telling Denny's to go to hell. BTW don't call the cops when you get held up either!

There is some additional irony to this since a Dennys in San Antonio was where a nut case attacked 4 on duty San Antonio officers, disarming some of them by brute force and shooting the officers with those guns. They finally did kill him but I know at least one officer was unable to go back to work due to the injuries and several others had multiple surgeries over the years for their wounds. The description of the guy was that he was a weight lifter/body builder type who had served seven years of a 12-year sentence for attempted murder and had been released was able to pick up an officer who weighed somewhere over 250#s by the Glock that was in his holster. He then was able to get it out of the holster as well.

Can't find any local stories from those days but this one is as good as any.

http://amarillo.com/stories/010403/tex_fourpolice.shtml

[longrider]

This puts it out there as clear as it gets

http://libertycrier.com/u-s-constitutio ... dium=email

[thechamp]

This puts it out there as clear as it gets

http://libertycrier.com/u-s-constitutio ... dium=email

He's right. And unfortunately he's also right that the vast majority would be ruled in a heartbeat and think nothing of it. Hopefully this nonsense won't even make it through the Senate. Most of those people want to be re-elected and live off the taxpayers for many more years. My hope is that they're not willing to throw their careers away to satisfy Obama, Feinstein and the others who want that ultimate power over the people. Must say the left and their media friends have pulled out all the stops. They're going for broke and see this as a golden opportunity to enact their dream legislation. May it backfire on them. Remember Obama said he wasn't going to come for our guns. Not the first time he's lied his azz off.

[ROdell]

The anti gunners should just try to repeal the Second Amendment or put their energies elewhere. Anything else is bs. There are lots of things in this country to be against.

In 100 years, it's more likely to happen. Three generations will have passed, sport shooting will decline and no one will care.

[thechamp]

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/gun-bank ... /id/470468#

http://www.americanspiritarms.com/

Last year Bank of America told McMillan that they didn't want them doing their business there and now Bank of America froze the funds of American Spirit Arms with the manager telling the owner they didn't approve of him selling guns and gun parts over the internet. American Spirit Amrs is a manufacturer of AR 15s and associated equipment. I have an account with them and as soon as I can move it to another institution they can fly a kite. Story below:


Gun Maker Claims Bank of America Froze Account Over Online Firearm Sales

An American gun manufacturer claims Bank of America froze his account over objections to his company selling arms online. So far, it's a one-sided story on Facebook which quotes a bank manager saying, "We believe you should not be selling guns and parts on the Internet."

According to a post by American Spirit Arms owner Joe Sirochman, because of a 500 percent surge in gun purchases his e-commerce website has been "processing larger deposits to Bank of America . . . So they decided to hold the deposits for further review."

American Spirit Arms most likely benefitted as gun shops and gun shows across the U.S. saw a recent surge of people seeking ammunition and high-power assault weapons, triggered by fears that certain guns will be banned and ammunition heavily taxed in the wake of the school shooting in Newtown, Conn.

"As you could imagine this made me furious," Sirochman said in his Facebook post. "After countless hours on the phone with Bank of America I finally got a Manager in the right department that told me the reason that the deposits were on hold for further review, . . . Her exact words were…'We Believe you should not be selling guns and parts on the internet.'"

Sirochman continued: "I flipped the f**k out and told them that they have no right to make up their own new rules and regs . . . We are a firearms manufacturer with all the proper licensing FFL (Federal Firearm license), and that we follow all Federal and All States’ rules and regulations on shipping firearms and parts and that we are also Audited by ATF and Homeland."

Following his heated response, Sirochman said a second manager joined the conversation and agreed to release some of the disputed funds.

Bank of America has yet to release a statement about the controversy.

Claiming to have been a Bank of America customer for 10 years, Sirochman says he is now looking for a new bank.

This isn't the first time Bank of America has reportedly targeted a client in the firearms industry.

According to a post by McMillan Group International on its official Facebook page, in April of 2012 Bank of America officials allegedly told the company, "We must finalize all of our accounts because we manufacture firearms."

As with the claim by American Spirit Arms, Bank of America did not respond to the claim made by McMillan Group International.


© 2013 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

[thechamp]

The anti gunners should just try to repeal the Second Amendment or put their energies elewhere. Anything else is bs. There are lots of things in this country to be against.

In 100 years, it's more likely to happen. Three generations will have passed, sport shooting will decline and no one will care.

Sad but probably more true than we'd like to even think. And when the government decides to kill whoever they choose to they will have no one to blame but themselves. And they will deserve what comes their way.

[Corjack]

I have been researching a few things. Here are a few things I have learned.

60 % of all firearms deaths in the US are suicides. Do you think they will not still kill themselves without guns?

There are small African countries that kill more children violently in two weeks, than are killed in a year, in the US, accidents, and murders combined.

In Pa. Four children a day, fourteen, and under are killed in auto accidents. This is from government statistics. I think an executive order banning the transportation of children in automobiles is in order. Little ones should walk everywhere, and stay at least five hundred feet away from all roads. Will solve childhood obesity as well.

Gun deaths have declined by around 2% every year, for several years in a row. And this was after the last gun bans expired.

If the statistics are right, and 30,000 people a year are killed by guns, how many of these deaths are bad guys, killing other bad guys? Will a gun ban do away with these deaths? Do we really not want a few less bad guys on the streets?

[dinsdale]

Saw earlier where one congressman is proposing a law that would require Federal background checks to buy ammo. These people are plumb nuts. Criminals will always get the tools they need to do the job they have in mind.

That was the Governor of NY in his State of the State address today.....he wants to lead the way ahead of any new Federal laws.

No internet sales of ammo into NY....

And a NICS check for any ammo purchases.

also....also eliminating any high cap magazines (which we already have, but pre 94 stuff is OK, looking to stop that too).....stiffer sentences gun crime, all transactions through FFL (no private FTF sales),tighten up mentaly ill reporting, tighten the 94 AWB that NY never dropped when the rest of the country expired.

I believe we will get the no ammo on the net........NY City already does, and there are lots of items the major online sellers already won't ship to any of NY already....the precedent is there.

They'll move the class of felonies up a notch for gun crimes....thats an easy feel good move for all; WE are tough on crime will be the mantra.


Here the political scene will dictate the rest......Democrat Governor and control of Assembly....but the State Senate has a split leadership of 4 Dems siding with the Repubs for a controlling majority. What gets bargained away will dictate what passes.......most of the Assembly is from hard line Democratic NY City and area they vote like sheep to the Governor.......but upstate equalises the Senate.

Ten more years from now....they'll be after my Blaser too.

I hate this place.

[thechamp]

You know those tough gun laws really work on people intent on causing as much damage as they can and then committing suicide.

Bottom line is the school killer violated a whole slew of laws.

BTW if gun control really worked Mexico would be a wonderful place to live.

Saw this earlier and it spells things out pretty well.

BTW all the hoopla about not letting nuts get guns would give the government the ability to trace weapons and have them registered so the next step of confiscation would be a lot easier to do. NO law keeps the nuts from killing people and taking legally owned guns to commit other crimes! Good example was the shooter at the Indian school who killed his grandfather who was a cop, took his grandfather's guns and squad car to the school and started killing people. Yeah tell me again how good laws are?

[hannu.k]

wtf is going on in US now?
did see some us politicans screaming about no one is hunting whit halfaouto and no need for 10 rounds mags
and he was in a state of , dont know what, but if he had done that in a street here he had gone to the nearest mentalhospital for a lot of years

[thechamp]

wtf is going on in US now?
did see some us politicans screaming about no one is hunting whit halfaouto and no need for 10 rounds mags
and he was in a state of , dont know what, but if he had done that in a street here he had gone to the nearest mentalhospital for a lot of years

Well I can't disagree. I've always thought most demos belonged in a mental hospital... Anyhow the democrats have long wanted to disarm the American citizens. They've pushed gun laws from time to time and had their butts kicked by the voters come election time. They finally decided to shut up and lie their way into office by promising no gun control measures. The vast majority of American people do not want any additional gun control laws. The laws only make life more difficult for the law abiding citizens. It does nothing to hamper the criminals. Well now that Obama is in his 2nd term and the school shooting happened the demos are coming out of the woodwork aiming to disarm the people any way they can. They came out full tilt thinking they were going to win this in a landslide. However it appears the democrats have polled their own representatives who obviously are looking at re-election in a few years and found that they don't have the votes even on their side to push anything through. Thus the Fearless Leader Obama has indicated he'll simple issue Executive Orders like any good Dictator to disarm or make life miserable for the honest people. It will be interesting here for the next year or so. And if they over reach it might get very interesting and very dangerous for a lot of people. Hopefully it won't get that far but our founding fathers were smart enough to know you never trust a government. NEVER! The wrong people get in office and your goose is cooked. Thus the 2nd Amendment which gives us the right to keep and bear arms.

[thechamp]

I hate this place.

You're always welcome here! Suspect Wyoming where Longrider is would be a nice place too. Still wondering when the citizens of Colorado are going to round up the potheads and libs at Boulder and ship them back across the border to Cal. Have to be some mad citizens in that state. Montana looks good. Dakotas.... Little warmer - Oklahoma isn't bad and pretty much all Republican.

Which reminds me that the Nascar crowd in the south voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Wonder how that's working out for them? Bet those folks are hot under the collar that they were lied to. They love their racing but they love their hunting as much if not more.

[thechamp]

Article on the Gun situation:

http://www.redstate.com/2013/01/09/the- ... e-problem/

The Real Gun Violence Problem

By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | January 9th, 2013 at 10:52 PM | 10

Piers Morgan has been in the news a lot lately with his interviews on gun control. He’s made it his cause of late. He interviewed my friend Larry Pratt a couple of weeks ago and really attacked Larry. The other night he interviewed that conspiracy crank Alex Jones and many conservatives and gun owners have lamented a perception that Alex Jones will become the face of gun owners.

The conversations have actually been fascinating. Piers Morgan isn’t the only one to engage in these, but he’s been one of the most prominent.

Unfortunately, the incident that set off all these discussions — the Newtown, CT tragedy — is causing policy makers and news figures to fixate on all the wrong things, or at least the things with the least amount of meaning.

The fact is the tragedy in Connecticut was terrible. But it is also not a common act. It is called a “random act of violence” because it is random.

After the shooting over the summer in Aurora, CO, the President and his team could have picked up the gun issue, but they chose not too because it is a political hot potato and hurts the Democrats. They are compensating in light of this new tragedy, but the discussed policy proposals thus far probably would do no good. Increasing gun free school zones and punishment for violating those zones will not stop a mass shooter.

Nonetheless, the policy makers want to focus on mass shooters and not every day shooters. They want to focus on rifles and not handguns. Rifles, interestingly enough, contribute to far fewer murders than knives, hands, feet, clubs, or hammers.

But the discussion will not move to handguns because handguns are pretty popular in this country. Many people own them — far more own them than own semi-automatic rifles. More so, handguns are used in vastly more crimes.

It is not, however, just handguns that must be discussed when discussing gun violence. This gets to why we cannot have a meaningful conversation in this country and never will. To do so will get you branded a racist.

“Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000).”

“Males represented 77% of homicide victims and nearly 90% of offenders. The victimization rate for males (11.6 per 100,000) was 3 times higher than the rate for females (3.4 per 100,000). The offending rate for males (15.1 per 100,000) was almost 9 times higher than the rate for females (1.7 per 100,000).”

“Approximately a third (34%) of murder victims and almost half (49%) of the offenders were under age 25. For both victims and offenders, the rate per 100,000 peaked in the 18 to 24 year-old age group at 17.1 victims per 100,000 and 29.3 offenders per 100,000.”

These are all direct quotes from a United States Department of Justice report released by the Obama Administration in November of 2011.

Don Lemon on CNN had a discussion with left-wing commentator David Sirota on whether we should profile young white males because pretty much every mass shooting incident has involved young white males with mental health issues. But, again, these are far less likely to happen than a gang related drive by shooting. Just because acts of mass violence grab the spotlight and media attention does not mean we should set policy on these events, which are not rather common.

The profile of the typical murderer with a gun is a black male in a city under the age of 25. This is not to suggest we should profile young black men. We should not. But we should, if we really want to curb gun violence in the United States, start our conversation looking at this phenomenon. Interestingly enough, the DOJ report notes of murders by poison, 80.6% were by white offenders and just 16.8% were by black offenders. Murders by gun were 41.2% by white offenders and 56.9% by black offenders.

Gun violence in the United States is, over all, on a steady decline, something the chattering class and policy makers tend to ignore. Again, from the Department of Justice:


In 2008, black males age 18 to 24 years-old had the highest homicide victimization rate (91.1 homicides per 100,000). That rate was more than double the rate for black males age 25 or older (38.4 homicides per 100,000) and almost triple the rate for black males age 14 to 17 (31.4 homicides per 100,000).

Among black males age 18 to 24, the homicide victimization rate was much lower in 2008 (91.1 homicides per 100,000) than in the late 1980s and early 1990s, when it reached a high of 195.9 homicides per 100,000 in 1993.

Between 1980 and 2008, young adult black males had the highest homicide offending rate compared to offenders in other racial and sex categories.

The offending rate for black male teens peaked in 1993 at 246.9 offenders per 100,000 before declining. In recent years, the black male teen offending rate has increased from 54.3 offenders per 100,000 in 2002 to 64.8 offenders per 100,000 in 2008.

These are terrible statistics. In our urban areas — and gun violence happens much more in urban areas than anywhere else — young black men, often in broken families, are joining gangs and committing acts of violence against each other. There have been 24 people murdered with guns in Chicago since the Newtown tragedy (see here and here). Just look at the most violent neighborhood in Chicago with 202 murders since 2007. Look at the ages.

Banning guns tomorrow will not stop this. Focusing on handguns instead of rifles or with rifles will not stop this. A renewed assault weapons ban will not stop this. Until we figure out how to fix the family instability and educational problems within the inner-city (because the problem is ultimately about poverty more than anything else), any solution proposed in Washington will be a Potemkin village solution masking the real gun conversation we should be having.

But, because the issue is tinged with race and often viewed as lacking a solution, policy makers and the media often don’t want to make eye contact with the problem. Instead, they’ll be consumed by the headline tragedy urge to “just do something”.

[dinsdale]

I hate this place.

You're always welcome here! Suspect Wyoming where Longrider is would be a nice place too. Still wondering when the citizens of Colorado are going to round up the potheads and libs at Boulder and ship them back across the border to Cal. Have to be some mad citizens in that state. Montana looks good. Dakotas.... Little warmer - Oklahoma isn't bad and pretty much all Republican.

If I could get a half decent job I'd be gone right quick......