Yet another Quickload request - a mild load for fallow deer

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

Can someone please crunch the numbers to obtain hypothetical max load and velocity that can be safely obtained using AR 2219 under the 325g Flex Tip in the .45 Blaser?

Thanks in advance

[Dinger]

Cartridge : .45 Blaser
Bullet : .458, 325, Hornady FTX 45015
Useable Case Capaci: 63.423 grain H2O = 4.118 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.697 inch = 68.50 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : ADI AR 2219
Charge : 64.0 grains = 4.15 grams

Estimates of the progress of combustion:
NR.: x(in.) Z(%) v(fps) p(psi) t (ms)
79 22.34819 97.00 2489.5 5176 1.1694

Peak Pressure
36 0.68647 35.20 717.7 53563 0.2479
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I don't think the hole will be any smaller than the last one!

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

Thanks

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

Now that I've actually got the flex tips in my hot little hands, by my calipers crimped to the middle of the canulure will give me an OAL of 69.5mm

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Is this 1mm going to do much for pressure?

In theory 63g of 2219 gives 2375fps with a 325g bullet in the .45/70 so I'm hoping I can get ~2500fps to make a long range load

[SPEEDY]

Is it wrong that I kind of want one even if I still can't use one.

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

Factory ammo specs is a 350g at 2050fps producing a calculated 35ftlbs of recoil whilst my current fallow load is a 400g at ~2100fps and 44ftlbs

I'm sure with factory ammo it's quite a pussy cat on par with a 9,3x62, you just have to live with the rainbow trajectory

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

Bump so the quick-loaders can see it

[Dinger]

Sorry....I'm a bit slow on the uptake!

Cartridge : .45 Blaser
Bullet : .458, 325, Hornady FTX 45015
Useable Case Capaci: 65.064 grain H2O = 4.225 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.736 inch = 69.50 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : ADI AR 2219
Charge : 65.1 grains = 4.22 grams

Estimates of the progress of combustion:
NR.: x(in.) Z(%) v(fps) p(psi) t (ms)

0 0.00000 0.98 0.0 3626 0.0000
1 0.00002 1.02 0.8 3760 0.0014
blah blah blah
80 22.30889 97.25 2505.8 5302 1.1669
Muzzle

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

Thanks Dinger
I gather I'm reading that correctly of 65.1g 2505 fps and 5302??? Am I misreading a digit or decimal place re pressure

[Dinger]

Peak psi was 53,383 & 3681 bar

5302 psi was at the muzzle.

Incoming.

[Dinger]

Cartridge : .45 Blaser
Bullet : .458, 325, Hornady FTX 45015
Useable Case Capaci: 65.064 grain H2O = 4.225 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.736 inch = 69.50 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : ADI AR 2219

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 84 52.08 2008 2909 27319 3805 87.5 1.522
-18.0 86 53.38 2057 3053 29158 3926 88.7 1.480
-16.0 88 54.68 2106 3202 31111 4045 89.9 1.439
-14.0 90 55.99 2156 3355 33244 4159 91.1 1.399
-12.0 92 57.29 2206 3511 35515 4270 92.2 1.361
-10.0 95 58.59 2256 3672 37958 4375 93.2 1.322
-08.0 97 59.89 2306 3836 40588 4476 94.1 1.285
-06.0 99 61.19 2356 4004 43424 4571 95.0 1.248
-04.0 101 62.50 2406 4176 46486 4660 95.8 1.213 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 63.80 2456 4352 49797 4743 96.6 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 65.10 2506 4531 53383 4819 97.3 1.145 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 107 66.40 2556 4714 57276 4888 97.9 1.113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 109 67.70 2606 4901 61507 4949 98.4 1.083 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 111 69.01 2656 5091 66122 5002 98.8 1.053 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 114 70.31 2706 5284 71165 5046 99.2 1.024 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 116 71.61 2756 5481 76689 5082 99.5 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 65.10 2625 4971 64181 4716 99.9 1.068 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:

[Dinger]

Estimates of the progress of combustion:
NR.: x(in.) Z(%) v(fps) p(psi) t (ms)

0 0.00000 0.98 0.0 3626 0.0000
1 0.00002 1.02 0.8 3760 0.0014
2 0.00007 1.07 2.0 3960 0.0046
3 0.00019 1.15 3.7 4260 0.0083
4 0.00044 1.24 5.7 4591 0.0126
5 0.00087 1.36 8.2 5005 0.0177
6 0.00154 1.50 11.3 5523 0.0235
7 0.00255 1.68 15.1 6152 0.0298
8 0.00398 1.89 19.7 6913 0.0367
9 0.00595 2.15 25.2 7811 0.0440
10 0.00857 2.45 31.8 8863 0.0517
11 0.01197 2.81 39.5 10093 0.0596
12 0.01630 3.23 48.6 11497 0.0678
13 0.02170 3.71 59.1 13100 0.0761
14 0.02834 4.28 71.4 14908 0.0846
15 0.03641 4.93 85.4 16917 0.0932
16 0.04608 5.68 101.4 19121 0.1018
17 0.05756 6.52 119.5 21509 0.1105
18 0.07106 7.47 139.8 24062 0.1192
19 0.08681 8.53 162.5 26745 0.1279
20 0.10504 9.71 187.6 29522 0.1365
21 0.12600 11.01 215.3 32348 0.1452
22 0.14995 12.43 245.4 35171 0.1539
23 0.17716 13.98 278.0 37941 0.1625
24 0.20792 15.64 313.1 40601 0.1712
25 0.24252 17.43 350.6 43099 0.1799
26 0.28127 19.33 390.4 45392 0.1886
27 0.32448 21.35 432.3 47433 0.1974
28 0.37249 23.46 476.2 49198 0.2062
29 0.42564 25.68 521.9 50659 0.2150
30 0.48428 27.98 569.3 51807 0.2240
31 0.54879 30.37 618.0 52636 0.2331
32 0.61953 32.83 668.1 53156 0.2422
33 0.65821 34.11 694.1 53303 0.2470
34 0.67931 34.79 707.9 53351 0.2495
35 0.70227 35.52 722.6 53378 0.2521
36 0.70851 35.71 726.5 53381 0.2529
37 0.71526 35.92 730.8 53383 0.2536
38 0.72255 36.15 735.3 53382 0.2545
39 0.82098 39.08 794.3 53198 0.2652
40 1.01783 44.36 899.6 52135 0.2846
41 1.21468 49.01 991.5 50598 0.3019
42 1.28757 50.60 1022.8 49971 0.3079
43 1.28757 50.60 1022.8 49971 0.3079
44 1.41103 53.03 1071.3 48779 0.3178
45 1.54342 55.41 1119.8 47433 0.3278
46 1.68565 57.73 1168.3 45958 0.3382
47 1.83876 59.98 1216.8 44376 0.3489
48 2.00387 62.17 1265.3 42707 0.3600
49 2.18223 64.30 1313.8 40971 0.3715
50 2.37527 66.37 1362.3 39183 0.3835
51 2.58458 68.38 1410.9 37360 0.3961
52 2.81194 70.32 1459.4 35515 0.4093
53 3.05937 72.21 1507.9 33661 0.4232
54 3.32918 74.03 1556.4 31810 0.4379
55 3.62398 75.79 1604.9 29973 0.4534
56 3.94672 77.49 1653.4 28158 0.4699
57 4.30083 79.12 1701.9 26373 0.4875
58 4.69020 80.70 1750.4 24628 0.5063
59 5.11932 82.21 1799.0 22927 0.5265
60 5.59339 83.66 1847.5 21276 0.5481
61 6.11843 85.05 1896.0 19681 0.5715
62 6.70144 86.38 1944.5 18145 0.5968
63 7.35059 87.65 1993.0 16672 0.6243
64 8.07549 88.85 2041.5 15264 0.6542
65 8.88742 89.99 2090.0 13924 0.6870
66 9.79978 91.07 2138.5 12654 0.7229
67 10.82846 92.09 2187.0 11453 0.7626
68 11.99246 93.05 2235.6 10323 0.8064
69 13.31462 93.94 2284.1 9264 0.8552
70 14.82254 94.78 2332.6 8274 0.9096
71 16.54976 95.55 2381.1 7355 0.9707
72 18.53735 96.26 2429.6 6504 1.0396
73 20.83591 96.91 2478.1 5719 1.1176
74 22.12086 97.21 2502.4 5352 1.1606
75 22.28848 97.25 2505.4 5307 1.1662
76 22.29901 97.25 2505.6 5304 1.1666
77 22.30428 97.25 2505.7 5303 1.1667
78 22.30691 97.25 2505.7 5302 1.1668
79 22.30823 97.25 2505.8 5302 1.1669
80 22.30889 97.25 2505.8 5302 1.1669
Muzzle

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

Looks like I might need to get out the drop tube and see what 64.5g gets me in terms of accuracy

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

Borrowed a chrony and have loaded up to 65g to test at Belmont prior to this weeks BGRC shoot - should be interesting to see how they compare to QL figures

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

So, raw results are in:

63g: 2287, 2302, & 2287 fps
64g: 2326, 2339, 2331, & 2326 fps
64.5g: 2343, 2351, 2335, 2339 fps

After looking at the cases, and the tiny increase in velocity and scattering of holes in the 64.5g target, I decided against testing the batch of 65g loads I had made up. OALs were 69.7mm

The good news for me was my current fallow load, a 400g PP over 54.5g of '07 ran 2096, 2099, 2109, 2093, & 2119 fps - group 2 minimum