Woodleigh 30 Cal 220gr RN SN

[stokesrj]

There is no doubt in my mind, that long for caliber, heavy for caliber, conventional cup and core bullets are superior to anything else for cleanly taking game with minimal venison destroyed. This is of course related to the lower impact velocity dictated by the the speed the long heavy bullets can be driven in standard calibers.. If we are using the bullets at muzzle velocities 2,200 to 2,400 fps and the shot is at close range (under 200 yards or meters), this formula works exceedingly well.

I think you would see exactly the same results with a 6.5X55 using the 156-160 grain round nose, soft point bullets or the 9.3X62 using the 286 grain soft bullets. It is what they do, and do well. I know I have on elk, moose, and grizzly bears. I realize however a Sambar is much tougher than a grizzly

Conversely, if we were to take that same 220 grain Woodleigh and drive it to 3,000 fps and shoot that same Sambar at 40 yards, the wound channel would be wide and shallow. The bullet may not even make it through the shoulder muscles to reach the intended vital organs, resulting in a very nasty non-lethal wound. I haven't seen this with that particular bullet, but I have seen it with other similar constructed bullets.

[mchughcb]

Correct Robert, they publish recommended impact velocities for each bullet and at the ranges in shooting them I'm in that zone. And its working well. Last three haven't been bang flops with the chest shot but have been recovered as they didn't go far in the thick scrub.

[Con]

mchughcb,
It's hard to change from a winning combination, but if you get the inclination, try the Sierra 220gr RN Pro-Hunter, or even the 220gr Nosler Partition semi-point.
Cheers...
Con

[TheoR8]

to BlaserBuds Kostacki.

[mchughcb]

mchughcb,
It's hard to change from a winning combination, but if you get the inclination, try the Sierra 220gr RN Pro-Hunter, or even the 220gr Nosler Partition semi-point.
Cheers...
Con

Welcome Con. I was going to end up trying the sierra but we snapped up 6 boxes at the expo so that should last me until the end of the year at this rate

[jeff]

mchughcb,
It's hard to change from a winning combination, but if you get the inclination, try the Sierra 220gr RN Pro-Hunter, or even the 220gr Nosler Partition semi-point.
Cheers...
Con

You've just come on here to find yourself a nice 9.3, haven't you?

Welcome, BTW!!

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

to BlaserBuds Kostacki.

and I thought the Greeks were leaving the Eurozone

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

There is no doubt in my mind, that long for caliber, heavy for caliber, conventional cup and core bullets are superior to anything else for cleanly taking game with minimal venison destroyed. This is of course related to the lower impact velocity dictated by the the speed the long heavy bullets can be driven in standard calibers.. If we are using the bullets at muzzle velocities 2,200 to 2,400 fps and the shot is at close range (under 200 yards or meters), this formula works exceedingly well.

The interesting factor here is that a .30'06 loaded to replicate the original .30'03 is a better killer of game than the later version unless they happen to be thin skinned and hundreds of yards away

[stokesrj]

Yea, it took me a long time to figure that out. I used a 30-06 for much of my hunting career and had little understanding of how game reacted to different bullet constructions and impact velocities. Seems I always had the wrong concept in mind, mostly driven by the desire to have a single bullet weight I used the Nosler Solid Base 165 grain for practice and 165 grain Nosler Partition for hunting, both over 57 grains of IMR4350 in Lake City Match cases. It was wonderfully accurate, but I had those Partitions just sail right trough animals at long range. Then I slowly figured out that the Solid Base and later Ballistic Tips did a better job at long range. Then made the mistake of using them up close. I'm a slow learner, but I got it now.
Bob

[stokesrj]

Today, we have the advantage of rapid communication. The manufacturers have responded with intended velocity window at impact for the various bullets they make. This has added much intelligence to what we do.
Bob

[Con]

to BlaserBuds Kostacki.

and I thought the Greeks were leaving the Eurozone

We keep tabs ... just in case.

Anyway, its an interesting thread both for Chucks success with the old school projectiles and the specialist conditions he encounters.

Anyway, my working load for the Ruger 308Win Mannlicher (as Euro as I'll go! ) is the Sierra 220gr RN backed by AR2209. Bites a bit though.
Cheers...
Con

[Con]

For those that shoot a 308Win ... check out Hornady's new Custom International load. A 220gr Hornady RN at 2300fps from the baby 30cal.
Cheers...
Con

[mchughcb]

Very interesting Con. I don't have a 308win yet as I have 2 , 30-06 blasers but could be a good load for a BD14 or D99.

[stokesrj]

This is a very similar .308 load to what I developed back in 1976. I was moving to Alaska, had a Sako L57 Forrester in .308 with 22" barrel. At that time the Alaska Fish an Game required a minimum 200 grain bullet at 2,500 FPS to take a buffalo. And I had my sights set on one of the bulls in the Delta herd.
I developed the load in Florida at 70 degrees but when I got to Fairbanks it was 20 degrees and the load fell below the minimum velocity when I had to prove to the Alaska Fish and Game my rifle was capable. I failed, had to borrow a friends .300 Win Mag to close the deal with a 200 grain Nosler Partition. It would not have mattered, .308 or .300 Win Mag either would have sufficed at 50 yards.

[Gun Barrel Ecologist]

to BlaserBuds Kostacki.

and I thought the Greeks were leaving the Eurozone

We keep tabs ... just in case.

Anyway, its an interesting thread both for Chucks success with the old school projectiles and the specialist conditions he encounters.

Anyway, my working load for the Ruger 308Win Mannlicher (as Euro as I'll go! ) is the Sierra 220gr RN backed by AR2209. Bites a bit though.
Cheers...
Con

From memory, 43g of 2208 will get you 2500 with a 181g TUG and replicate RWS's load https://rws-munition.de/en/rws-hunting- ... ml#!0/28/1 probably as heavy as I'd go in the short case

And to the forum, you may find the thread on heavy for calibre 9,3x62 bullets interesting