Bad farmers.....

[Olsen]

On the hunting ground, we finallly get alowed to make some feeding belt for the deer, and we have to pay for about 4 meterin one place and 6 meter on two sides of a little "wood"....

We bought some seed to plant and we drove with a ATV to get the seed in the ground and after 10 days it all came up and everything was good......

Then the farmer was out spraying poisen in the corn field and this is what we get out of it


4 meter is now only about 2.....


6 meter is about 1 now......


6 meter is almost gone here......

[thechamp]

that sucks. I'm assuming he didn't know ya'll had planted that for deer?

[dinsdale]

Looks like someone needed foam markers on the end of the booms when they did the glyphosate to me.

If it makes you feel any better the turkeys and mourning doves keep eating the coated seed I have been using on my plot....And now I have a big bare patch too.....friggin' birds.

[retrieverman]

That is a bad deal.

[Olsen]

The manager on the farm know all about it, and he had told the guy that he had to be careful when he was close to our plants, but I guess he was thinkin on something else

But now they let some rows of mais standing for us

[Pigeon]

So he should pay you for the land and the seeding - no joke, when something happens here, they have to pay...

[retrieverman]

So he should pay you for the land and the seeding - no joke, when something happens here, they have to pay...

I have to disagree. The corn is a "cash crop", and the food plot is strictly for recreational use. In my opinion, the farmers is doing the hunters a favor by letting them plant next to his field anyway. Why should the farmer pay for an accident on his own land???

If "I" was the farmer and the hunter tried to make me pay for this, he would NEVER hunt on my land again.

[Dom]

So he should pay you for the land and the seeding - no joke, when something happens here, they have to pay...

I have to disagree. The corn is a "cash crop", and the food plot is strictly for recreational use. In my opinion, the farmers is doing the hunters a favor by letting them plant next to his field anyway. Why should the farmer pay for an accident on his own land???

If "I" was the farmer and the hunter tried to make me pay for this, he would NEVER hunt on my land again.

I don't know all the facts, but often the hunters have to pay the farmer some monetary fee before he agrees to let that acreage be used. When he lets a couple rows of corn stand, we gotta pay for that too, lol.

Olsen, you don't have it so bad, most of the farmers here accidentally 'catch' the ladder seats legs with the edge of the plow

[Pigeon]

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If "I" was the farmer and the hunter tried to make me pay for this, he would NEVER hunt on my land again.

In Europe You have to pay thousands of Euro for the hunting rights - so this is absolutely another field of task. And a simple farmer could not forbit you to hunt on his fields if that easy way as he (in normal cases) is in a community of farmers which rent the hunting rights to the hunters for money. Just an example: for a 650 hectar (does not know how much US sized surface this is) big hunting right my fellow pays about 12.000 Euro per year plus the damage which is made from the pigs on the fields... So not a cheap thing!
We also don´t have that big fields like You in the US where You don´t have to take care what Your neighbour thinks and says. Here in my area there are dozen of fields which have a width of just 20 or 30 meters !!! So You can not allow to spray 0,5m over your border.
If You spray pesticides here, You must make sure not to overspray the fields - what if the neighbour field is another plant - say sugar beets? Your neighbour will also insist in getting payed for the damage - and this is his good right. (so paying grass would be much cheaper then sugar beets or wheat...)

So if Olsen has payed money to rent the green part for having food for the game, he has payed for it and so the farmer has not the right to overspray as he maybe could do if a green grass way is next to the border...

[thechamp]

Makes sense to me. If I rent it from you and pay you money to rent the land and use it for my hunting and you screw it up, I should get my money back and possibly damages or at least a discount toward trying this again next year. I can't even imagine fields 20-30 meters wide! That's tiny. I knew your places weren't that big but had no idea that some were that small. I just went over and looked it up, a hectare is 100 acres, 650 hectare is 65,000 acres. That's a good sized piece of land here too.

Same general rules apply here. If I poison my weeds and kill the neighbor's crops I'd be liable for the damages. I would suspect that would apply everywhere - at least in civilized societies!

From what Dom says it sounds like you got some farmers there that need a good old fashioned butt whipping! They charge outlandish hunting fees and then on top of it damage the hunters equipment. Be time to pull somebody's rump off the tractor seat and visit with him a bit.

[Dom]

Champ, one hectar is about 2.5 acres, so 650 is roughly ~1600 acres.

Ahh, the farmer blames these 'minor mishaps' on his hired help . . . normally they don't tear up the seats but sometimes turn them and then they don't sit flat and even.

Like Klaus says, most farmers do NOT own the land, they rent it for the crops, then someone else purchases the hunting rights. You'd think this would go hand in hand, farmers and hunters, but often the opposite is true with friction, damage from animals, yet there is hinderance to control it!! As we say, furchtbar! Oh well, just gotta be thankful for what you got, you could have it worse . . .

[thechamp]

Champ, one hectar is about 2.5 acres, so 650 is roughly ~1600 acres.

Ahh, the farmer blames these 'minor mishaps' on his hired help . . . normally they don't tear up the seats but sometimes turn them and then they don't sit flat and even.

Like Klaus says, most farmers do NOT own the land, they rent it for the crops, then someone else purchases the hunting rights. You'd think this would go hand in hand, farmers and hunters, but often the opposite is true with friction, damage from animals, yet there is hinderance to control it!! As we say, furchtbar! Oh well, just gotta be thankful for what you got, you could have it worse . . .

That sounds better. Evidently the web site I found it on was wrong.... oh well not the first time the internet wasn't right. Normally I check 2 or 3 sites....

You're right about 'having it worse'. Hunting here for trophy animals is ridiculous. But there aren't really many choices if you want to hunt them. The guide buddy of mine in New Mexico already sold out the Elk hunts and tags he had for the fall season. He's actually 'oversold' and trying to find more landowner tags. Well the landowners aren't stupid so they keep raising the prices too.

Thanks for the right info on the hectare... Makes the rate of what the guys are paying even higher though!

[Pigeon]

@champ: even not checked, but I guess Dom is 100% right about the size...

Yep, the fields are that small - the general way to enlarge the fields is to rent as many as You could get - so you maybe have in the end a 5 ha big field (if everything is running well), which consist out of 12-15 small ones... But of course You could farm them as one big... (just the border stones are dangerous. removing them costs lot of money and so at the borderline there a few hidden under the earth so... and big plow picks them out easily...

[thechamp]

@champ: even not checked, but I guess Dom is 100% right about the size...

Yep, the fields are that small - the general way to enlarge the fields is to rent as many as You could get - so you maybe have in the end a 5 ha big field (if everything is running well), which consist out of 12-15 small ones... But of course You could farm them as one big... (just the border stones are dangerous. removing them costs lot of money and so at the borderline there a few hidden under the earth so... and big plow picks them out easily...

I have to say that here in the US when you get close to the older established towns you have a lot of 2-10 acre plots of land. I don't know of any places where one farmer rents a bunch of these and plants them but it does make sense. It kills me when somebody has a house on a 2- 0 acre plot growing nothing but weeds or grass that has to be mowed all the time with nobody or nothing benefitting from the growth. It really is a real waste of resources. Being Germany is as 'old' as it is and that large farms just aren't available it makes sense that this system would have evolved to allow people to still far and at the same time the land is being used instead of wasted. I guess someday we'll see it here. I remember being in Ohio some years back and the entire area was dotted with small homesteads. I recall thinking then that it was a real waste of land. I can well understand wanting to live on a place where your neighbor isn't 20' away but the opposite extreme isn't good either. I have 30 acres here and other than the one acre that the house and shop are on, the rest is still farmed in conjunction with my mother's and brother's place. No border rocks to worry about either!